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Science of Self Understanding??
08/14/12 at 05:03:11
 
Intersting Article I found on the internet... any thoughts???

Slave to Our Chemicals
We have dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine.  These are some of the most important, at least ones that medical science has deemed as such, neurotransmitters in the brain.  Then we have hormones that tell us when we are full from eating, hunger cravings, control of the metabolism, immune system activation and suppression, and so on.

Think about all of these chemical floating around in your body at any moment.  Your body controlling the levels of these chemicals without our minds consciously knowing about it.  Some people are born with a complete balance of the positive feedback system in the human mind.  They have a good metabolism that keeps their weight in check, they don't have large mood swings, and they know when to quit eating.

For those of us who have these systems out of whack, we spend our entire lives fighting these chemicals, or the lack thereof.  We understand that our actions are not the norm and we deeply desire to not be odd.  We use discipline and self evaluation to try to overcome these hormones.  Those of us with a scientific minds and those of us with desire to understand these chemicals and how they affect us go beyond what a normally regulated person considers.  Unfortunately many times this leads to gravitating toward substances that change the way those chemicals behave in the body.

Some people think that this is ridiculous.  Some people just think these people want attention, are just druggies, or have weak minds.  The truth of the matter is, we are slaves to our chemicals.  The only reason a person gets out of the bed in the morning, eats, and seeks out interesting things is because the person is gravitating toward things that change the way the chemicals behave in the body; we all want more dopamine.

Through evolution, our brain is designed to handle so much dopamine.  The interesting thing is that people have figured out how to defeat this reward system, such as in MDMA, in order to overload the brain with this chemical.  So much so that it can be damaging to our brains, which have been designed handle so much of the neurotransmitter.

In a normally regulated person, this is not desirable; however when a person fights their chemicals their entire life, they become more aware of these entities.  They understand how they affect our mental state and understand that introducing more or less of these chemicals can be controlled to produce different mind sets.

Is the sad thing here that we are all slaves to our chemicals, or is it that we are conscious of these chemicals and how they control us?

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So does this mean love is just a chemical reaction were addcited to? or is it something more???

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Re: Science of Self Understanding??
Reply #1 - 08/14/12 at 05:49:22
 
Technically everything is a chemical reaction -- we exist because of chemicals and reactions. But that doesn't mean we aren't conscious -- even though consciousness is commanded by chemicals, we are still "free" in a way. Image what life will be like when you're free of the chemicals that make you human. Wink

I'm sorry, I've thought about this for years, but am unsure of how to explain it. I hope you understood that. Even the soul is chemical -- the energy of life is chemical, and called by you and scientists a particular kind of energy, so don't let the thoughts bother you. Smiley
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Re: Science of Self Understanding??
Reply #2 - 08/22/12 at 12:35:22
 
First of all, I think the article brings up an interesting perspective, one that I agree with to some point.  My stepson was diagnosed with bipolar disorder years ago, but he didn't want to take meds for it because he felt that he should have more control. At the same time, he was tormented by his own mood swings and the chaos he experienced in life due to his condition. I remember telling him that no one would think about blaming a diabetic for letting their body not process sugar efficiently, or tell a person who needs chemotherapy how "weak" they are for letting cancer grow in their body. We are, I think, to some extent, a slave to the chemicals of this physical body.  I also agree with OC....what will it be like for the spirit to be free of the chemical ups and downs of the human body?
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Re: Science of Self Understanding??
Reply #3 - 09/04/12 at 18:22:10
 
Hi,

It is true that we need these emotions controlled by chemicals in order to function even at the most rudimentary level.  For instance the only reason you know 1 +1 = 2 is that you have a positive emotion telling you that it is correct - the reason why a computer doesn't know that 1 +1 = 2 unless a program is put in place that dictates with 1s and 0s that make it so that it can come up with that answer when you use the calculator function - our brains don't work like that - we actually need the emotion in order to know what is true or not - it is not a purely logical thing as much as you might think (or want that) it is or that what i'm saying is paradoxical.  We need our emotions for every single thing we do and they are made up of chemicals so that when you're chemicals are out of balance it is catastrophic and there is no matter of control or self-discipline that can change that.  Taking a drug like MDMA or any psychotropic (the others being legal  Grin ) is dangerous and a necessary evil.  We don't even understand how they work - we have just done studies of what certain chemicals do to our brains and have found that certain psychotropics help a  schizophrenic understand that 1 + 1 = 2 and know it in a meaningful way.  When someone's chemicals are off they will do anything and everything they can to get themselves back on track just in order to maintain themselves - a huge reason why drug abuse is misunderstood.  Also taking these medicines or illegal drugs have unknowable plus knowable disadvantages and downfalls and discomforts themselves so that a person who is chemically off-balance will never truly enjoy the life of someone who is fine chemically.

Believe me - i know - i'm bipolar and i have lived an extremely "interesting" life - that is a chinese curse btw - may your life by very interesting  Grin .  Simply because a very interesting story comes with all kinds of tragedy and hardships - overcome in the end if it's a good story or if a sad story ending in death and destruction.  

I've studied and studied the pathology of the brain and read a book specifically about how emotions affect us (how i know that you need emotions in order to discern whether 1+ 1 = 2).  As fascinating as the books are, they have no real answers as to how to deal with the problems associated with a chemical imbalance but we are finally at least understanding just how important emotions are.  It is so frustrating and adds tragedy on top of the tragedy that there is such a huge stigma attached to being either a mentally ill person or a drug addict or heaven forbid both (actually extremely common).  To having friends and family and community ban these people because they are ill is no different than someone else here mentioned - the same as banning a diabetic or cancer patient - it is the same thing actually it's just that one is considered "valid" and something for which we should show mercy and one is considered distasteful and invalid and these people should have to live on the fringe of society not being accepted because of their disease.

Anyway that's my two cents on emotions, behavior and chemicals and how they relate to each other and pathology.

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Don't know how wise it is to announce that i am sick - but the people here have been very supportive and understanding and especially sensitive to people with unusual problems so that i feel comfortable in this community being myself - let's hope it doesn't come back to bite me on the butt.
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