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01/30/10 at 22:59:50
 
Steve.. thanks for the "welcome" note (I appreciate it).
It's the first time to this forum for me.
As for the subject matter (s):  I'm revisiting much of what I first discovered at age 3 (with complete recall) and experiences that were threaded through out my years (of this particular round of living), learned and acquired.  
Naturally, many years have past for what was considered un-speakable subjects.  
It is good to see open opportunities to delve into discussion for the Paranormal / Psy.  
I humbly look forward to taking part in discussion, perhaps sharing what I have learned... and perhaps suggesting how to manage specific gifts in a  sometimes "not so understanding world of normalcy."  
Areas of interest for me:  remote viewing, written and graphical automatic writing (former Nam era military lab rat for remote viewing - post Ingo Swann) and more.  
Thanks again for the quick welcome to what I think will be an interesting forum.

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Reply #1 - 01/30/10 at 23:52:28
 
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Smiley to ABT 51degrees.

Good meeting you.  Smiley


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Reply #2 - 01/31/10 at 13:55:21
 
Smiley 51degrees

Smiley Def be on the lookout for what you have to say, seems as though you have a good amount to contribute. Not-so-understanding world sounds about right, alot of people struggle with their gifts and most of the time ignore or shun them, awfully sad but thats what happens.

Anyway, welcome again, hope you like it here.  Smiley
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Reply #3 - 01/31/10 at 17:39:46
 
51degrees ...  Smiley

Would love to get the chance to chat to you about remote viewing.  Look forward to meeting you!

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Reply #4 - 01/31/10 at 18:26:28
 
Hi Tia.... sure, once I settle in and find that little comfort zone with discussing all the various matters of what I have gone through ... calculate that I will (we will get more detail oriented).  
Right now it is the "touchy feely get aquainted time frame" without my being hoggish on everyones forum (being the new kid on the block so to speak).  
Naturally, I will not cross certain barriers of discussion, because my gift was (in the very early 70's) under a controlled environment within the military (which was huge stress factor), and I value living in a non-harrased world (for even knowing what I know) even today.  

For now you may ponder one of early lessons from my Papago Shaman mentor (when I was age 18) seemingly long ago:  
Some things are best said to the rocks, the mouse or the or the silent winged night bird that may cry as a child in the night.  For some of those things a man may never understand or dare to know,  they are quick to judge.  (he was a old master at remote viewing via earth diving and shape shifting, through his old ways).  

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Reply #5 - 01/31/10 at 19:05:37
 
Hi 51 degrees welcome to the site.
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Reply #6 - 01/31/10 at 19:22:44
 
Hello 51degrees and welcome to the site.  I believe you will enjoy it here and settle right in.  I hope to meet you in chat some day.

I have read books on remote viewing, one an autobiography.  It angers me that governments deny their knowledge of such things and ridicule people's "foolishness" in believing.

I'm eager to hear of some of your experiences, if you are willing to share.  Again, welcome

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Reply #7 - 01/31/10 at 20:32:53
 
Hm-bound.  my part was somewhat an unusual (not so run-a-the mill) candidate selection process.  In otherwards, I did not solicite to be part of the program, but was (how should I say) assisted to understand the importance of this particular specialty research.  
The discovery of my gift was passed on by a second party person whom I trusted, and, well I think you get the picture.
My part, you will not find in print... although it was pegged by the gvt. as the Eglin File.  
I did write about it years later. eventually, I discarded the manuscript ,so as to avoid the pressure of scrutiny for myself and my family .  In and of myself, it was not that difficult to cope, however it is hard for a wife and child to understand (often times).  Although my wife has always understood my gifts and was well aquainted with some of my absolutes (for rules), still  it housed impacts on our relationship (especially where a child had entered the picture).  I'm happy to say that the rules were not at all un-reasonable, as perhaps a reason we have been married for 37 years (and still facinated with it all, though I have no new things to boast ).  The rules were for my biological well being, within the times that my metobolic rate was 3 beats per min. -  a.) don't shake me b.) don't shout at me ... and give me time to return the way I need too, for the best interest of staying alive.  Ms. L was always intrigued with my ability to visit her when I was gone with the research... she truly needed that confirmation for things which nobody could ever know... it was good.  

In short:  you are right about some misgivings on the part of the government during this research, but such was the cloak of matters.
Others in the program were not what I called well suited to any defense mechanism in their own necessary interest.  
example;  For me, I was well cared for by three spiritual guides that continue to be with me even to this day.  My guides were well beyond the researchers comprehension,  and I never breathed a word about them or told em!   Ha.  Where I was not smart enough, they were and my words were very well spoken when necessary (not me, the guides channeling through me).
To most, it was a 3 dimensional world thing, because they could not fathom anything beyond that level (for a lack of their own ability to grasp it or ride the vibrations of the spirit drum to other levels)... but today many like mysef have transended to other dimensiononal levels and back again, only to speak of it openly.  It takes a great dicipline to perfect without making a mockery of what others are well adapted to understand in these contemporary open times.  For as sure as a gift is given, it can be taken away.  respectfully
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Reply #8 - 02/01/10 at 02:35:46
 
what a pleasure to hear of a marriage lasting 37 years and still fascinates.  This is a good thing and I am happy for you.

This second party that you trusted  that passed on this gift... I'm afraid I don't quite get the picture.  Did you not have this gift prior to it being passed to you?  And are we still talking about remote viewing or another gift, or grouping of gifts?  I fear it isn't quite as clear as you intended.  Also, did you know what you were accepting when you received the passing of this gift?  And this person being someone you trusted, then I assume you were aware and knowledgeable of what you were receiving?

One more thing, are there other books or materials out there concerning the Eglin File? (note to self: research...)

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Reply #9 - 02/01/10 at 03:54:21
 
The second party was an alledged friend (a priest) that had divulged my gift to others that had (for reasons) more interest in what it was, beyond my own personal milestone ability for how I used it.  At that point, it was very easy for medical teams and security teams to step into the picture under an order that came from someone that would not be divulged to me (with hopes of no recourse).  But unlike a psy eval. this drew 10 professionals within a specified field, which come from various parts of the country (military and civilian) to check out the alledged new prospect of who I was.  
In and of the gift itself ... no,  I had that particular ability well within my early teens.  I had no clue what "remote viewing" was back then... all I knew was that it was something and yet it was nothing that I had ever heard discussed beyond some of the varied aspects of the old religion / old ways from a mentor that had called it something completely different.   However, I had a very keen sense for it was, once I was grilled and further  indoctrinated.  Only in the name of science does there ever give a difinative name to something... the gifted people only understand the beginning and end result .. no label is required for what others can not see.  
So in this case, I understood as I was once taught "my spirit flight.. the horse rider ... the vision from my familiar"   there are many ways of defining it in old ways.  Later, I did understand much more about what "They" called it, and I also understood how they wanted me to apply it.  It's an ideal trick they conjour to get ya to do  certain things in alignment with what they want, and little or nothing else.  The file was closely kept by the us military attorney generals office, and I suspect the joint chiefs of staff.  There was a breach file that was contained by the chief of chaplins for how much of this all got started (the so called friend).  Eventually, I had some fairly good people that came to the forefront, when I decided to terminate.  These people were civilian legal council that was completely willing to file an action for false imprisonment and draw attention to the government testing in the paranormal field for covert activity against the will of myself as a participant test subject .  It did not have to go in that direction.
I was treated very well, once a viable understanding was reached.  Afterwards, my file dropped off the planet and so did any non-sense that delt with my family.  I am left to remember more than they were willing to have me speak of ... I was quickly given a very marketable trade for transitioning back into civilian status.  I kept it under wraps well and good.  As I think of it, I came out very lucky... as there were other subjects that were not so insulated as myself.

I think this may well be about as far as I choose discuss the matter on a forum setting.  Off line perhaps, dependant on the element of assisting a persons personal growth.  Otherwise it appears to have have the overtone of "Identify and Validate"  for what "They" would often insist.  respectfully
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